Discussion on Father and Son

The actual fact of the matter is that Theophany can only be a pillar in himself. Because Theo, Premier, is God manifesting himself. So therefore, when the Son came forward, that was no Theophany. The best you could call the Logos, in my own interpretation, would be the Son of God. spirit or word form because that's exactly what you're looking at because later on that scene one who made aside that word form body came down and took on himself a human body and he went back and picked up that word form body came up in the resurrection now we have a word form body or spirit body waiting for us we go to it if we die and if we don't die we meet in the air why I don't know but that's the exact same truth There isn't any reason for Brother Branham calling that light that came on any other than the Son of God. He didn't just add that now. He then called it the Logos on the grounds that Brother Branham used it,

which is that a word expressed is a thought expressed. A word is a thought expressed, and that's Logos. You see, you could use that about an adding machine. You could use that about anything. But the actual meaning that John had, and is an original Greek, is that every express must contain a part or the whole of that which is expressed. So therefore, if you're going to call Jesus Logos, that's certainly fine because God Almighty wanted a son. And the son came forth in that word form body. You could say, well, that is the Logos because that is the son. And we in our turn, we are sons of God. because we are a part of God. And it's a matter of the people in their minds. A terminology which is really the most accurate. I like to go through all my stuff upstairs and get Lloyd to talk me about where that's from. Brother Branham does correct himself concerning theophany. He talks about we having the theophany. It's not so. He used the word spirit body. And he also said we have, he used the word body. He turned it in the head and went out. If that's eternal in the heavens, talking about a space or time being eternal in the heavens, or are we talking about a body being, Brother Branham put it to the body. Therefore, the body itself had no beginning, whatever that was, there were to go to. And so, if you're going to look at this the right way, there's no other way that you can look at it than accept that you and your word -formed body actually came from Elohim, as a part of Elohim, the same as... identity did with jesus if you can call the word because that's what it is and you can throw the interpolation up you can see in the beginning god now you got back to genesis one we say in the beginning was the word and the word was god well you could say in the beginning was the word god and the word god is actual

him starts with hell which is the strong one bound by an oath. So now we have here, God manifesting himself is a theophany. Now break the theophany down. Well, if you break the theophany down, it simply means that God is actually manifesting himself in a form that can be apprehended or seen by people. Now the next thing is, what in the world are we going to do with it? You can look at God and say, well, how do you do? Maybe they serve back down the street. And he might not have on a crown. He might not have extra beautiful eyes and ears. He might not have any radiance. He might be just a fellow walking down the street. Well, now, how are you going to get to any budget? Unless he actually, and he reveals to you exactly who and what he is. Now, that would be a perfect example of logos and theophany. Because it is a theophany and it is a logos. Absolutely. But you don't get anything, really, from the theophany. Except you go back, what is theophany of? The one strong one bound by the omniscient, powerful one, who is bound by his own godhood. If

he's in a purifier, he

can write something on a board or something. But if you put him in a human form, now he can talk to you. He's got fellowship, he talks back and forth, and now you get a real revelation of God. And until that time, there is no way that you can actually put him as holocaust. All you would see is this element. I mean, I'm not making fun of this element. That's all I need to say because that's what he was. But John did not want to use that. John wants to use the term whereby. And all of our group of missionaries don't seem to realize it. The Gospel of John and the First Epistle of John are hand in hand. And John did something that nobody else did. He... put God in a human frame, period. And he wasn't worried about the son. So when it came to putting God in a human frame, in John 1, 14, it says, we beheld his glory. Whose glory? God's glory. But then it says, as even, we have the glory, even as the glory of the only begotten, the Father. So it's telling you, you were looking at God's glory, but you didn't know it was God's glory. You pinned it all on Jesus. See, they've been, and they've gone haywire ever since. Because they will not put that in there where it says that it's God's glory is being manifested. But it's being manifested through the Son. Go watch what the Son says. He said, look, he said, I'm not doing the works. He said, I'm not saying the words. He said, I just, whatever he tells me, I tell him his words. If I'm using my mouth and I'm standing here, when I say something, it happens. He said, that's God doing it. He said, don't you see them? The Father's in me. I said, if you can't believe the Father, believe the works. believe the words, you've got to more repair them. Because a man can't do it. Only God can do it. Now they're going to get back to God. Now what are you going to do? Is it God doing the work? Then God's in me, and you're seeing God in human form. I am the Son of God. Now that body that Jesus had was even as far as I can see. In one respect, because Scripture has many different applications. One application, oh, a body has stopped preparing me. Brother Brandon uses that as a pride. A

body has stopped preparing me. and said, oh, I come to do that will of God. It is a body.

Understand that. If you realize that God created sperm and an egg, it's an act of creation, but there's no life in it. So instead of Brandon using the poetic form, he wrapped himself in it. While it means that for any of you, it's like you're reading an anthology about the breath of life, it's the Holy Ghost. God put his own blood cells, his own life, put his own life in that which he had created. Now from that will be that body. that Jesus has. So you can see now, this leads you to the fact that when Brother Branham said, Israel actually crucified the very God they worshipped. Well, he said, just a minute. He said, now, I can't quite see that because when I talk about Mr. Jones is dead, we're talking about his body that Mr. Jones is not at the casket. Mr. Jones is someplace else. But that isn't true. For the very reason The minute you talk of Mr. Charles, you cannot identify him other than his body. You can't do it. Neither could you identify Jesus, and neither could you identify God. That was God's body that Jesus used, and yet he was the one that remained in and hanging upon the cross. But it was the blood of God that was shed, and being the body that died, being God's body, it was God that died. God can't die without that. But you can see that. The perplexity of theology, which is so perfect, it's very simple. He teaches that you're thinking low. And that's what we see and we teach here. And I realized that I got sick before I was almost two years. I haven't been in the pulpit. You're allowed to go through the book of John and the first epistle and compare with the others and they will see that we are talking about God, never mind the Son. God doesn't even put him on the shelf when you ignore him. But remember, he is not the main actor. But he takes the limelight. You see, to put it crudely, it's almost like, you know, Charlie McCarthy. The man was a puppet there, yet Jesus was not a puppet. And yet, on the other hand, he certainly was, because he is likeness of God. Brother Brown was asked, what's the name of Jesus? He said, Jesus had a beginning. And so you can see that. the perfection of the two and the one there, but the main thrust is always God himself has come down as a man amongst men, whereby he's reconciling the people to himself, forgiving their sins and showing what kind of a God he is. And that's the major thrust of John. That's why people love the book of John, but they don't know why they love it. Because they're so mixed up on Godhead. You see, Jesus is not a part of Godhead. In a way, he's below God yet. Woman, man, Christ, God. God, Christ, man, woman. Can't change it. Also, you've got bride, Christ, God. So they get mixed up. In the Gospel of John, not realizing that this is the low gospel. God has become. He has formed himself in flesh, and he's in that flesh. Because he came down there in the river Jordan. Yet at the same time, it's the body of Jesus. And it is. But we have to remember when he wrapped himself in that sperm and in that egg, absolutely, that's the DNA of God for them. What they want is everything that has life or spirit. And it's got to have the right chemicals, which aren't very many. All you need may be 50, 60 chemicals. Everything we want in this earth. Man can be born, animals born, plants raised, birds raised, butterflies, everything. But that life... takes upon itself a form by using those chemicals. But the DNA is actually in the spirit. And that's what the DNA that manifests in the blood actually has a spirit background passed on from the Father to Christ, down to Adam, and down, down, and up. And that's what I'm looking at. I'm not looking at anything that would be a projection of God. They're two separate peoples, absolutely entirely. God is the boss and ruler of the heavenly universe. It's his body. He allowed Jesus to have it and to be preeminence. And that's exactly what he did. The preeminence of Jesus, the Christ, the Messiah. And notice how God set the whole stage for him. That's like the wedding supper. And then in the new Jerusalem, then there's a separation. Then all things that were under the feet of Jesus now are under the feet of God. God becomes all in them all. So if you started with God here and nothing, and you went over here with God on the throne, the pillar of fire above the throne, and took an eraser, what's it all on? Back where you were, God is all in them all. Because you see the personality of God, the complexity of God, the power of God, everything you see of God, all in your Bible and worked out, and it's worked out through Jesus Christ. And that's why... You have a book which is a revelation of Jesus Christ, but you've got to dig deeper. Because brother, it's a revelation of Almighty God. And Brother Branham said the name of God is Lord Jesus Christ. More than one occasion he used a different word. So I don't know if the man thought he was getting out of what I said. He was hearing it a little bit wrong. But this is what I read. Two separate persons. Two separate persons in a body which was actually... provided by God, sperm and the egg, the woman supplying the chemicals, that's all that she did. And then God, that body had to be circumcised because it was going to be used as a mediator, a high priest. And the scripture says there's one mediator in God and man. Man, Christ Jesus, doesn't say to God, Christ Jesus, do not. And then it says God was manifest in the flesh. Absolutely he was. It was God manifesting himself. And so... John 1 and 1 is 100 % right, and John 1 and 14 tells you exactly how it works, and you read from there on down the line. But if you hear it, the word theophany, that belongs to God and to God alone. Now you can, if you want, spread

it by the fact that we are a part of God. So therefore everything that is a part of God is a theophany in a sense, but God didn't want it that way. God wanted man to have a body distinct based on his own body. Because when he took that sperm and egg and blueprinted it, it came forth as a baby boy. Arms and legs and eyes, a fine, healthy boy, circumcised the eighth day, growing up, going into the temple, coming suddenly to the temple, hunting the building, correcting his mother, making the wine, and everything. And warned his mother. He said, look, he said, this is before my time. In other words, God was not giving you the go -ahead, but he gave you the go -ahead on this earth, because they needed the wine. And so you can see that there is a duality there, and when God comes forth, as a theophan, you're saying, this is God manifesting himself. But when you come forth as a

Logos, you are not just manifesting himself, he is putting himself in a position to be absolutely... Absolutely expressed, because this is his expression. And then you notice it says, they only begotten and declared it. That means to bring forth by words. Now, if you, you know as well as I do, whenever you see anything done by a God, and it now comes to the people, every single thing must be explained by the prophet. Find what it is, why it is, and what you've been expecting. And Brother Branham did the same thing every single time. You have to take everything that he said, and in there, he will tell you what it is, and he'll tell you why it is, and he'll tell your relationship to you, and also he'll tell you what you can enter into. But always, no matter what is done, God has to do it, and then he has to have the man there to explain and teach the people the real truth of what is going on. And if you take the book of John, John 1 and 1, 1 and 14, You get the perfect picture all the way through. Go all the way through the book. And you'll find it all the way through. Take every one of Brother Brown's quotes. You can find where God who cannot die did die. Because you cannot disassociate yourself from your body. There is no way you can do it. Because God has left no room anywhere for an unmanifested, as far as I know, my Bible, I know of no place often ever intervened. God ever said any donation. not a true manifestation, though we might not be able to apprehend it because we're not in that sphere. But the actual fact of the matter is, if we right now were in the sphere where Satan is or the angels, I have no doubt that we'd be able to see them. Of course, you'd have to maybe use vision or whatever. But they're there. They're there. They're there. There's every man and his horse. But that's it. That's what I have in mind when I talk about the Father and the Son. You can't mix them. And you can't at any time ever divorce the one from the other. There's no way. You cannot come to God except by Jesus Christ. Your prayers are answered through Jesus Christ. Because He said, I am the way. He said, I am the door. And everything that Jesus did was necessary because God had to communicate. in the way that suited and worked with his own Godhood, with his own children, and that's just what you're like. I just don't understand how people can't understand the Father and His family. I studied years ago a book by Dr. Charles S. Price. I said, oh, that doesn't make any sense. Then they got Kenyans, and Kenyans was a brilliant, brilliant, perhaps the greatest of the 20th century, just a detail. He didn't have the revelation all the way down the line. He sure was good at what he was into. And he wrote the Fawney family. I said, well, he's good, but he hasn't done it. Brother Brandon came on the scene, and he discussed the Fawney's family and showed seed. Seed is reality. And man, the Fawney's family, you can see it right there. As in Adam, all die in him. In a manner, all remain alive in Christ. He said, you're in Christ Jesus. Now he said, now you're born again. And you will lose none. So you think it's media, a simplistic. understanding when you let your mind go and you refuse to believe that Brother Branham is being poetic. See, now, Brother Branham was a poet. There were no choice about it. He had tremendous ability in speech, although he made a disclaimer on it. The more you read, the more you find the math was absolutely great in what he was saying. And so when Brother Branham used that term, that became so small. He wrapped himself in sperm and egg. Mine usually goes to the fact of the minuteness and leaves the fact that what was he doing wrapping himself in sperm and egg? And if he didn't do that, what happened? And where did he go from there? Well, that's the truth. Then what is that going to do? It was exactly the same. That's why the Bible says you cannot have an image. God had his own image. His image was Christ. He didn't even want any other image. idiots out there making images. And here was the image of God walking amongst them. And that was the image of God, period. And when we see God as a human race, we're going to see him incarnate in the sun. But there will come a time when the pillar of fire will be above the throne of the Lamb of God. And we'll understand it. And who knows when he'll incarnate himself again. When his family gives you your perfect picture from Genesis all the way to Revelation. Especially when you understand what it means to say God being the Savior and the Healer and the this and the that. It is necessary to predestinate a man who requires salvation. He gave himself reason and purpose to be. So now you can see the reason and purpose of God from Genesis all the way to Revelation. You can see chapter to the harvest chapter. And you can see what God is doing all the way through as in perfect harmony with God and His God ability. So that no man can say and they will say. Well, why did God make Satan? Well, why wouldn't he make Satan? See, that's the question. God operating within his, can't go beyond it, and he doesn't, and if he goes less, that's just for the time being. But I'm talking to her as he wants it. You see this thing, you see, then you see Christ from Genesis to Revelation, because Christ should have been the first to leave, and she thought he had the devil, and that's the whole thing up. But that was fine because... Now God can be a savior rather than just a father. And coming down the line, down the line, you see, the whole thing will perish. The Bible is not a history book, but it is a history of God and his people. It's not a scientific textbook, but when it does speak on scientific reasons, it has to be correct. And right down the line, we see God untold. And then at the end time, we see the tragic thing, crucified

God, crucified himself. as the Son of Man of Christ. He crucified the Word. And then the Word has to be honest, right? But that's how I look at this whole picture. And I suppose that Brother Branham would have done well if he had preached the sermon of the Father in his family series. And he would have done it. But we've got it in. It's there. But his words were beautiful words and they were very authentic. Until I realized that God would

terminate. I realized... Oh, wait, that was God. And that was God.

That was, followers

bring up the fact that the, what do you call the member, now it's called the menorah. It's the nine paths. And that was what they put there all the time. And that was what they looked at as their tide post and their, what you might call, I guess, their gateway into God. But we don't have that. We have Jesus Christ the righteous. So we are far, far better off. But the menorah does show that God is 3 -3 -3. And I was amazed when I found out that Brother Branham and everybody else had become Redeemer and Sanctifier. And how in the world can Brother Branham preach sanctification without the other being a Sanctifier? Then you're back to human. Possibilities, that's the thing. And Redeemer, that's what he's all about. And yet they were the two that were left out. So now you've got... When I discovered that, it was my own discovery. I buried my reading about it. So you have your three, three thoughts, and three, three can't be... It makes you perfect. But Christ is... We don't have a menorah now. We have a logos. We have God himself who came down to do confession. He actually found among us, reconciled to himself. And then when he rejected him thoroughly, then he... They gave his body. That was his body. That own body. God died

upon hell, and yet we know God can't die. But when that body dies, you're in disaffection.

Like he said, if you and I die, he and Harry's brother were gone. And just as a resurrection, we're still gone. Like Harry said, that's where the whole history came from. My thoughts are this. I made a pretty dream, although people still misunderstand me. that I don't say that everything that God did, he had to do through the Son. If he did everything through the Son, it would be fine by me. I just don't have a final answer. Whatever God do, because the Son could only do on what God gave him. See, God gave the devil all kinds of power. Look where he comes with it. Years ago you told me, you said, I don't care if it's a pillar of fire, it's a pillar of cloud, it's the rock of the world, it's still God. Yeah. of God doing it. And I just like to say that because I, uh, see, like the one place that you're going to get an exodus, they get weird on me, where he said, uh, I sent my messenger, my angel, he said, before you, my grace, I put my name in it, and it knows you, if you're causing your own problems, and you've got to borrow your purse to destroy it. And now that, that's different now. That would be different from God himself, uh, because he said, I put my name in God's name. So therefore, if the sun is involved in that, the rock that followed, then that is fine by me. I am not as fully aware of all those points that Brother Brandon brought up that I might be so righteous. Take what he said, and I agree.

God doesn't want that. God wants his children. They're glorified. They're rewarded.

They're musicians. That's what he wants. I think that's the most important thing. Some of

them are very necessary. They're Jesus

on the throne. his own name. The spirit body put together with the physical body, you know, that's the

glorified body, right? Yeah, his body is eternal. Yeah, and remember, he also said, all power has been given unto me.

And Paul makes that note, he said, if you write that, it makes

very sure that, you know, that God gives us things. God expected to be able to use them through us. Brother Branham offered to get out of the way. And the Apostle Paul, he says the same thing. Jesus is written wrong. The right translation is the word of God. When

he is moved, the words of God never gave any man a gift. It said, I'm turning you to Jesus. That's where any gospel, that's where almost everybody told us that I need it. Brother Branham didn't. He put it right back on the gift. He said, I drive you. He showed you that, but he said,

I'm in some condition. Brother Branham was very, very, very, much very.

Jesus is his own man already. He's on the throne. And he's still there because he's going to bring another 40 or 40 Jews.

Once the rite goes up, the ministry of intercession will be over. It's going to have to be 40 or 40 Jews. And when that's over, I guess I'm set. We'll find we've missed an awful long time. The main reason why we have to remember to be capable of this.